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The Pope’s official Latin title means “In place of the Son of God” It is blasphemous and spelled in Latin, summed as Roman numerals is 666. The phrase “Vicarius Filii Dei” summed as Roman numerals: *Vicarius:* – *V* = 5 – *I* = 1 – *C* = 100 – *A* = 0 (not a Roman numeral) – *R* = 0 (not a Roman numeral) – *I* = 1 – *U* (or V) = 5 – *S* = 0 (not a Roman numeral) Summing these gives: 5 + 1 + 100 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 5 + 0 = *112* *Filii:* – *F* = 0 (not a Roman numeral) – *I* = 1 – *L* = 50 – *I* = 1 – *I* = 1 Summing these gives: 0 + 1 + 50 + 1 + 1 = *53* *Dei:* – *D* = 500 – *E* = 0 (not a Roman numeral) – *I* = 1 Summing these gives: 500 + 0 + 1 = *501* Adding all sums together from each word: 112 (from “Vicarius”) + 53 (from “Filii”) + 501 (from “Dei”) = *666*
@analogyapologetics Definition of ambassador: An ambassador is an official envoy, especially a high-ranking diplomat who represents a state and is usually accredited
@analogyapologetics Paul uses word ambassador in his letters. So, someone being sent out in place is not unbiblical. In fact, Christ did this when he sent them out two by two
@protestantcommenter but He didn’t give them the authority of God on earth.
@analogyapologetics Sure he did. He gave them the power to forgive sins: John 20: 22-23
@analogyapologetics He gave Peter the power of the keys: Matthew 16:19 @protestantcommenter The power of the keys is biblical. See first Chronicles: 26 for the four chief gatekeepers, who were Levites, were in charge of the chambers and the treasures of the house of God. 27 And they lodged round about the house of God; for upon them lay the duty of watching, and they had charge of opening it every morning. The Hebrew word used for “opening” in above is 4668. מַפְתֵּחַ maphtêach, maf-tay’-akh; from 6605; an opener, i.e. a key:— key. FROM THE Strong, J. (1996). The New Strong’s Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
@analogyapologetics Finally, he gave authority and affirms tradition in: Luke 10:16. If he says whoever rejects you rejects me is giving that person His authority on earth
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter How can you say this? This is from Luke 9:1-2 “Luke 9:1–2 (RSVCE) 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal.”
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter And then after giving authority to the Apostles, the apostles passed down authority (Acts 1): 15 In those days Peter stood up among the brethren (the company of persons was in all about a hundred and twenty), and said, 16 “Brethren, the scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David, concerning Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he was numbered among us, and was allotted his share in this ministry. 18 (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. 19 And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his habitation become desolate, and let there be no one to live in it’; and ‘His office let another take.’ 21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” 23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles.
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter One of the men they passed authority to was Timothy 2 timothy 1:6 “Hence I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands;” Paul reminded Timothy to practice this gift of authority: 1 timothy 4:1 “Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you.” OF WHICH ONE OF THEM WAS TO CHOOSE ADDITIONAL MEN TO WHOM FORMAL AUTHORITY WOULD BE GIVEN 1 timothy 5:22 “1 Timothy 5:22 (RSVCE) 22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor participate in another man’s sins; keep yourself pure.” Of course, Timothy was a Bishop, recognized as such through the ages. Even the Encyclopedia Brittanica recognizes it as such “Apr 5, 2024 — He is traditionally known as a martyr and the first bishop of Ephesus. Died: ad 97,, Ephesus [now in Turkey].” Mike Gendron does not recognize bishops as he has said in his talks. He says they are an invention of the Catholic Church. Yet, St. Ignatius of Antioch is documented in his letters as acknowledging bishops (around 97 AD). In his letter to the Ephesians he refers to the Ephesian Bishop as a man of inexpressible love. In his letter to the Smyrnaeans he states that a proper eucharist is administed either by the bishop or by someone entrusted by the bishop. This refutes two claims of Mike Gendron. Mike says eucharist is a wafer of only symbolic significance. If so, why would Ignatius say this? Second, he says formal authority ended with the Apostles. Yet, Ignatius is clearly stating this authority was being practiced before even the year 100 AD. Answer this please protestantcommenter: Ignatius of Antioch was only one generation removed from the Apostles who accompanied Jesus. He joyfully went to his death and became a martyr. Question: Do you really believe that Mike Gendron, a person who lived 66 generations after Christ’s death has better insigth into what Christ wanted then Ignatius, who was a martyr and lived only two generations after Christ?
@protestantcommenter @analogyapologetics because it’s true. I showed the math.
@protestantcommenter @analogyapologetics I missed where He said that would be transferable to a pagan counterfeit religion 300 years later.
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter your reply does not make any sense. I gave you the biblical references and alll you did was respond with ad hominem attack against Catholicism.
@protestantcommenter @analogyapologetics no true church would burn people at the stake for having a Bible in their own language.
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter clearly my original evidence of authority being passed on by Christ was so irrefutable that you had to descend into ad hominem attacks and cliche responses. If I can produce examples of Protestants persecuting Catholics would you then deny your Protestantism?
@protestantcommenter @analogyapologetics He spoke that to people who spent time with Him during His ministry and made no indication of heritability. There was no pope until 300 years later.
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter Thank you for your reply. Here is my reply in charity: If authority was not meant to be handed down, why would the Apostles fill Judas’ office in Acts 1? It was literally the first thing they did after He ascended. If authority was not meant to be handed down, why would Luke even write about it in the Acts of the Apostles? If authority was not meant to be handed down, why would Paul address Timothy about the laying on of hands on additional ministers? You dismiss tradition and think that if something is not explicitly in Scripture then it does not have to be believed. Do you realize the words of Christ recorded in the Bible can be spoken aloud in about 4 hours? Christ spent three years with His apostles. That is 26,298 hours. Assuming He slept for 1/3 of that time, that means He was awake and conversing for somewhere around 17000 hours. Yet, only four hours of words are recorded in the Bible. Do you really think that the perfect God, who became man, would spend three years of time with the Apostles so that only four hours of His words could be recorded and that is all that would be important for successive generations? It defies logic that the perfect God would do this. There is no way the Apostles heard Him teach and decided that only four hours of 17000 was all that was needed to be passed on. It is almost ludicrous when you do the math. So, that is why it makes sense the Apostles filled the office of Judas. It is also why it makes sense that the community in Corinth consulted Rome when there was a dispute in it. The pope at the time was Clement I. He responded, and the letter is recorded even today. He said: “Owing, dear brethren, to the sudden and successive calamitous events which have happened to ourselves, we feel that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the points respecting which you consulted us;” What is important about this is that St. John was still alive. He lived in Ephesus. This was only 320 miles from Corith. Yet, the community in Corinth consulted Rome, 718 miles away. Why? Because Clement was the bishop of Rome. The successor of Peter. The Pope. St. John did not have the authority to settle the dispute in Corinth. Pope Clement did. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm Papal succession is not disputed. You can trace back to Peter. Even the secular website wikipedia acknowledges it.
@analogyapologetics @protestantcommenter Just wanted to provide you more evidence of Papal succession. St. Irenaeus was born in 120. He recounts the line of succession from Peter: “3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes.” Mike Gendron does not read the Church Fathers. He says that it is because they are not “inspired scripture.” Yet, he forgets that at 120 AD there was no scripture yet assembled. Irenaeus is proving that the faith of Christ was handed down via authority by the apostles. Additionally, while he will not read the Church Fathers (because they are overwhelmingly Catholic), he does recommend books that are not scripture to people in his audience. In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4oNUV7G-U) he literally recommends a Church History book written by someone in modern times. Yet, Irenaeus literally wrote down history and was only a few generations passed and Mike dismisses it? Please note that Irenaeus also referred to Clement’s response to the Corinthian dissension, of which I have already provided Clement’s official response (written while St. John the Evangelist was still alive).